When people just jump into ‘ships’ or start trolling anything that looks like it could be a mainstream gay love story it’s a little…disrespectful. I understand that a lot of people are into that and would like to be represented in movies and what not, but a deep friendship between two people…
you are making it sound as if decent romantic material between two young girls is easy to attain
i’m very tired of hearing this same argument over and over. “what about platonic bonds?” and “they are young, this is just a friendship”
by saying these things you are invalidating a potential romance between two young people of the same gender. and yes, that statement only targets those types of relationships. nobody objects to the possibility of a romantic attraction between a boy and a girl regardless of age. what about Chihiro and Haku? Seiji and Shizuku? their relationships were borderline romantic or at least had romantic undertones, and I don’t see anyone projecting this same argument towards the films they are in. by ignoring these examples of age and romance in studio ghibli films and then using it as a defensive strategy you are doing nothing more than adding to the absurdity surrounding non-straight relationships that places them in a category of adultery. yes, they are “like 12.” but that does not mean they are unable to have a romantic bond. if marnie and anna were a boy and a girl I feel as though you would not be saying these things.
what I am trying to get across is that romance between two girls is one of the rarest forms of representation in almost every form of media — especially in children’s films — and that these hopes do absolutely nothing to diminish the value of a platonic bond. nobody is looking into things too hard. nobody is going to hate the movie if their relationship is not portrayed as it is in the trailer. decent lesbian media is literally so scarce that we are putting nothing more than a wish into words, and it’s ridiculous that you feel attacked.
I don’t feel attacked. And, i made it clear that the friendship of mine that i was comparing this to was the friendship between me and a boy. And in that relationship, it was inaccurate when outsiders(to the relationship) tried to make it out to be something it wasn’t. I also don’t have an issue with 12 year olds exploring their sexuality. They should do it. When i pointed out their age, that was a shout out to the many other things that would attract them to one another; other things that mainstream media is lacking too.
I was directing this rant to people I have talked to that have said they wont enjoy the movie as much if it isn’t LGBT. (personally, i am not even into these labels, why can’t it just be ‘sexuallity’?…I have no issues with ‘adultery’ for a similar reason)
I’m personally into embracing desires as individuals on the street and changing culture that way, not necessarily waiting for media that does this and then backing it up because you agree with it. That is what i meant when i said ‘live it’. There are many real people that are lesbians(some of whom i am friends with), and with that will come many shows/books/etc. that display it as well. I know they aren’t all here yet. Of course we have a long way to go. All i meant was, that it is unnecessary to take something that isn’t LGBT and make it that way. Some people do do this.
I am not invalidating what could be a ‘same sex’ relationship—i was pointing out that if it isn’t a same sex relationship, that doesn’t invalidate the beauty of the story. (like the one’s i am referring to have suggested). If you aren’t of their opinion, that is great.
I didn’t intend to sound insensitive or homophobic. This is actually funny because it was a conversation with my lesbian cousin that brought this all up. Maybe tumblr was a stupid place to talk about this, but the internet is ‘fair game’ i suppose. But, literally, if you think what i am saying is absurd, it is because you haven’t interacted with the people who express the belief i’m talking about. The movie may be a legit lesbian show, like i said, i’m cool with that.
i understand that it may seem irritating to receive those remarks with a friend of the opposite gender, but as someone in a same gender relationship i’ve experienced the opposite and it is even more frustrating and happens far too often in media. when the media is actually concerned with non-straight romantic or sexual involvement, it invents terms such as “bromance” and “gal pals” and demeans all of it to platonic proportions. this is a form of erasure and it is incredibly frustrating, not only to those involved or with the intent to portray a same gender relationship, but for those who are also a part of the movement and are in need of representation. there is no shortage of platonic relationships in media between two girls, but there is an extreme shortage of decent romantic bonds between female characters. studio ghibli doing this would be fantastic and it would honestly make me and many others feel pleased and comfortable. this isn’t all about the sake of “shipping” but rather as a form of representation and connectivity to a large audience.
by the way, the acronym is used for a reason because not all of the terms refer to sexuality but rather to (or to the lack of) sexual orientation, gender identity, and romantic orientation
I knew that last part about the orientation. But i believe that it all has some root in sexuality in it’s most encompassing sense. What i meant was putting any label on anything sets up duality/discrimination. Or, at least it does in pop culture america.
Thanks for wording your experience the way you did, i totally understand what you mean, and i held that in mind when writing the original post. I’m not sure if you’ve read the original book or not(have you?), and i understand that it is an adaptation, so there will be an artistic license, but i really loved the book when i was younger. What i am getting at is, i wasn’t trying to get too much into any philosophy so much as pointing out what i am under the impression is the specific friendship for these two specific characters. Or at least it was in the book. It was just such a simple story. Not that this wouldn’t be simple if they were supposed to be lovers, but the book was very obvious about what the moral of the story was, while still being deep. I’ll love the movie any which way.
This is the first time i’ve had a tumblr discussion. I’m just glad it was sweet and i feel like i came away understanding things a little better. Thanks!